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Tony Webb's avatar

Thank you for writing these articles. But ultimately I feel that environmental arguments against AI are a smokescreen. Really there is a deep discomfort with AI itself, with machines that appear to talk like humans. People feel it is a threat to their humanity in a way that previous technologies weren't. This is an emotional reaction and we can't talk people out of it. All these other arguments about water and global warming are covers from that.

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I like this article and premise a lot and agree with it broadly, but I don't think the math in the "Carbon" section checks out. I think perhaps "the things we can buy with the tax revenue makes the negative externalities worth it" is a stronger argument than "we can use that tax revenue to explicitly cancel out the negative externalities" when it comes to carbon emissions, since I don't actually know that that's feasible (it might be, but I think the math makes it a lot closer). In particular:

1) I'm extremely skeptical of the RGGI's claimed reduction in emissions. Even if you were to somehow buy the amount of allowances required at $600 million/year, you'd only expect something like a 10-50% reduction in CO2 emissions causally from that. Much of the reduction in emissions commensurate with the implementation of RGGI came from the shale boom shifting from coal to less emissive gas, as well as other incentives for renewable energy production.

2) In general, these carbon allowances/offsets only make sense when you are *not increasing energy demand through your actions*. Imagine I am going to create a new giga-mega-hyper-datacenter that is going to consume as much energy as the entire US. This will be powered by new natural gas plants, but, I say, don't worry, we're going to finance a shift for the rest of the US grid onto renewable energy by paying allowances per tonne emmitted, and our entire emissions will be offset in this manner. Well... I think you can see why this could not possibly work. It's equally implausible at much smaller scales. It only works to a very small extent on the margins, not when we're talking about something like >50% of the entire county's energy consumption.

3) Solar/wind simply cannot replace gas generation for data centers. Currently basically no data centers run on renewables and nearly all run on gas. You'd (1) have to build a ton of very expensive 24-hr storage, (2) have to build a ton of very expensive grid improvements/modernization infrastructure, and (3) have to permit all of this stuff, which is very, very hard and would take a long time! You do mention a couple of these caveats, but I'd guess that it would be way more expensive, like maybe a factor of 10 more! If it wasn't actually that expensive, then people (Microsoft/Google) would be doing it right now (they're not).

4) Energy costs would rise a lot (demand is rising a lot!), likely more than offsetting the reductions from the program. This has to be factored in, no?

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