It's going to be a rough time ahead, thanks for clearing the misinformation. Even with it being certain actors here and there, it's all rushing and having the dust settle is calming.
Made an error with Second wind, I meant Second thought, has given mixed claims too, with the same'ish info you refuted. My bad. I guess journalists are going to treat this like catnip for years to come.
This may be repeated by outlets, and the principle of nuance will have to be expressed.
Sorry, I don’t think that says what you’re arguing. It seems obvious that states that are onboarding cheaper generation sources are seeing the most growth. Supply and demand. What you’re seeing is the difference in local energy policies. The fundemental law of economics is that increased demand yields increased prices. Until we remake energy policy, the marginal cost of the added demand continues to increase. States with the highest price increases also have the most restrictive policy.
There are a lot of ways increased demand could decrease prices. One obvious one is that data centers run at weird hours when demand on power plants is much lower. This can smooth demand and give power plants more net revenue to invest in scaling or passing cheaper prices onto consumers. Demand only consistently increases prices if supply is fixed, and here it's more complicated
Net generation output is sized for peak load. If increases in generation are from solar, then running off peak is actually more expensive, as now you’ve introduced energy storage requirements. Again, reflective of local energy policy. Crypto data mining centers can operate during off peak times, taking advantage of the spot markets, but I don’t see anything that indicates that AI centers have the same level of flexibility.
> The Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory found that data center activity has not contributed to changes in national average household electricity costs. They specifically mention data centers as one of the things that are not affecting national average inflation-adjusted electricity prices.
Where do they say that? I couldn't find that claim in the linked PDF. In fact they said data centers are a major driver of electricity demand.
It's going to be a rough time ahead, thanks for clearing the misinformation. Even with it being certain actors here and there, it's all rushing and having the dust settle is calming.
Made an error with Second wind, I meant Second thought, has given mixed claims too, with the same'ish info you refuted. My bad. I guess journalists are going to treat this like catnip for years to come.
This may be repeated by outlets, and the principle of nuance will have to be expressed.
the second to last paragraph is a duplicate
Thank you! Fixed
This only highlights the recklessness and irresponsible guidance of the Green New Deal energy policy.
AI has “decreased” electricity prices in some areas? Give me one area where prices have decreased.
Decreased relative to what they would've been otherwise, see 4.4 here https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1040619025000612#bib40:~:text=Contrary%20to%20these%20concerns%2C%20our%20analysis%20finds%20that%20state-level%20load%20growth%20in%20recent%20years%20(through%202024)%20has%20tended%20to%20reduce%20average%20retail%20electricity%20prices.
Sorry, I don’t think that says what you’re arguing. It seems obvious that states that are onboarding cheaper generation sources are seeing the most growth. Supply and demand. What you’re seeing is the difference in local energy policies. The fundemental law of economics is that increased demand yields increased prices. Until we remake energy policy, the marginal cost of the added demand continues to increase. States with the highest price increases also have the most restrictive policy.
There are a lot of ways increased demand could decrease prices. One obvious one is that data centers run at weird hours when demand on power plants is much lower. This can smooth demand and give power plants more net revenue to invest in scaling or passing cheaper prices onto consumers. Demand only consistently increases prices if supply is fixed, and here it's more complicated
Net generation output is sized for peak load. If increases in generation are from solar, then running off peak is actually more expensive, as now you’ve introduced energy storage requirements. Again, reflective of local energy policy. Crypto data mining centers can operate during off peak times, taking advantage of the spot markets, but I don’t see anything that indicates that AI centers have the same level of flexibility.
> The Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory found that data center activity has not contributed to changes in national average household electricity costs. They specifically mention data centers as one of the things that are not affecting national average inflation-adjusted electricity prices.
Where do they say that? I couldn't find that claim in the linked PDF. In fact they said data centers are a major driver of electricity demand.
I think I linked the wrong study. Ping me on this if I don’t get back to you in a few days
Ping! Any update on this?
Will have an update by EOD 🫡
Updated the link with the full study, they mention data centers in section 4.4 as not having an impact https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1040619025000612#bib40:~:text=Contrary%20to%20these%20concerns%2C%20our%20analysis%20finds%20that%20state%2Dlevel%20load%20growth%20in%20recent%20years%20(through%202024)%20has%20tended%20to%20reduce%20average%20retail%20electricity%20prices.