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Seth Finkelstein's avatar

Kudos for a very thoughtful article. I've ruminated on technology and society issues for a long time, and there's some deep and disturbing aspects of the topic. But I've been discouraged in that there's not a lot of space between, roughly, punditry for Utopia and Dystopia.

I have some slight notes. Musk doesn't just go on about "insane racist conspiracy theories". No, he's not so limited. He posts about all sorts of insane right-wing lunacy. Many ordinary people in tech are a bit annoyingly racist, but otherwise reasonable. Musk is full-on MAGA, with the entire menu of cruelty, contempt for the poor and vulnerable, xenophobia, on and on.

When you say "frowned on in populist left-wing spaces to imply that Silicon Valley is capable of producing anything new and useful at all", this is not new. The "identitarian" left has always frowned on technology. This is a topic in itself, the actual Communists were always talking about improving production (collectively, of course).

But "To even imply AI's usefulness makes it worthy of any carbon cost at all is seen as completely missing the big picture." ... well, yes, I think you might not be giving their argument its due. I don't agree with that argument on the facts, but I grasp it. No offense meant, please forgive me here, but there's times you do give the impression of the sort of pundit who says (humor) "Have you considered that toxic waste might be GOOD for you? Or at least, that poisoning some people might be a net economic benefit if it helps make products which are enjoyed by millions? We make social trade-offs all the time, anyone who doesn't realize that is a naive dunderhead. When you complain about all the pollution, I don't ever see you acknowledge the benefits of the end results."

Many, many people on the left have an entirely reasonable reaction to that style of argument, that it's trying to pull a con job on them. THIS IS RATIONAL! There's people who are paid to outright lie like this. My impression is you've absorbed a certain pattern of argument which is extremely common in certain tech circles, but it tends to lead to conflict when the weaknesses aren't understood.

Well, this is long enough already, I hope it does some good.

Ben Chase's avatar

Enjoying the article, just pointing out what looks like an autocorrect mistake: "Digital outlets crew, by only added about 6,000 new jobs."

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