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Fully on your side of pluralist, high-trust liberalism and good to hear it stated so explicitly. I'm pretty tech-positive, and probably more optimistic about AI than you are, but find e.g. crypto, with its anonymous, low-trust (and even zero-trust) foundations to be incredibly depressing and uninspiring.

I do think your list here is actually two separate dimensions, even if they do cluster around datacenters and AI:

1. The tribalist / populist / localist dimension, suspicious of people with different values. Along this line, pluralism and cultural exchange are at best a scam, at worst a pollution of what is natively good. It feels like right from the start of the "ChatGPT moment", a deep and knee-jerk objection on both sides of the aisle was basically that it was coming "from the wrong people".

This is now a deeply-rooted ideology or identity, unfortunately, some kind of reaction against globalization and social media showing people that the world is much bigger than they thought, and mostly different from themselves. On the bright side, its factual claims are easy to disprove.

2. The labor theory of value / ineffable human magic dimension, which says that all value is ultimately derived from some human's - preferably physical - effort or sacrifice. No human? No value. No sacrifice? No value. No tangible result? No value. See e.g. traditional artists implying that that some kind of soul-substance being almost physically transferred into a drawing ("every individual stroke carries meaning, which the viewer decodes as a human mind") that sets it apart from works made with AI.

This is more of an argument of convenience. As you say, it's unlikely that people were always secretly Marxists, or had a clearly developed theory of consciousness or art. It's just stating a definition that is the furthest removed from the promise of AI to reduce human effort.

The two dimensions conspire to create a narrative of "the bad alien building is intruding on our good and honest lives, and its purpose is to make the worthless thing", but they probably need to be debated separately to shift the needle.

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“In every exchange, someone is winning and the other person is losing. Profit is usually a sign that someone’s been harmed.”

This idea is almost a human universal, we have to be taught not to think that way. This perspective is why merchants were considered the lowest social class in ancient Rome, China, Japan, and many other societies. They must be cheats: either they didn’t pay the supplier what the goods were worth, or they overcharged the buyer. It wasn’t really until Adam Smith that the idea of supply and demand changing the value of a good, and that being morally fine, became widespread.

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