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Seth Finkelstein's avatar

Kudos for a very thoughtful article. I've ruminated on technology and society issues for a long time, and there's some deep and disturbing aspects of the topic. But I've been discouraged in that there's not a lot of space between, roughly, punditry for Utopia and Dystopia.

I have some slight notes. Musk doesn't just go on about "insane racist conspiracy theories". No, he's not so limited. He posts about all sorts of insane right-wing lunacy. Many ordinary people in tech are a bit annoyingly racist, but otherwise reasonable. Musk is full-on MAGA, with the entire menu of cruelty, contempt for the poor and vulnerable, xenophobia, on and on.

When you say "frowned on in populist left-wing spaces to imply that Silicon Valley is capable of producing anything new and useful at all", this is not new. The "identitarian" left has always frowned on technology. This is a topic in itself, the actual Communists were always talking about improving production (collectively, of course).

But "To even imply AI's usefulness makes it worthy of any carbon cost at all is seen as completely missing the big picture." ... well, yes, I think you might not be giving their argument its due. I don't agree with that argument on the facts, but I grasp it. No offense meant, please forgive me here, but there's times you do give the impression of the sort of pundit who says (humor) "Have you considered that toxic waste might be GOOD for you? Or at least, that poisoning some people might be a net economic benefit if it helps make products which are enjoyed by millions? We make social trade-offs all the time, anyone who doesn't realize that is a naive dunderhead. When you complain about all the pollution, I don't ever see you acknowledge the benefits of the end results."

Many, many people on the left have an entirely reasonable reaction to that style of argument, that it's trying to pull a con job on them. THIS IS RATIONAL! There's people who are paid to outright lie like this. My impression is you've absorbed a certain pattern of argument which is extremely common in certain tech circles, but it tends to lead to conflict when the weaknesses aren't understood.

Well, this is long enough already, I hope it does some good.

Muhan Luo's avatar

Great essay as always, Andy! One thing I'm wondering is to what extent some of this disinformation against the tech industry has contributed to the rightward shift and radicalization of many of these tech leaders.

Most of the people on the tech right used to be Democrat-leaning. I remember Elon used to have libertarian-ish politics and was supporting Andrew Yang for president as late as 2020. The same goes for a lot of other tech titans like Marc Andreessen and Sergey Brin, who were disgusted by Trump in 2016 but are now much more aligned.

My intuition is that a lot of people's mental models of the world comes not from deeply researching every single topic (which would be obviously impossible time-wise) but from having a circle of sources that they trust for reliable information. However when people realize that some of these sources are clearly wrong on an issue, they start to lose trust in them and will look for new sources of information to add to their circle who they perceive as being closer to truth. I think this is what happened to Marc Andreessen. I read Nate Silver's book On The Edge and one of the really pivotal moments which contributed to Andreessen's transformation from Hillary to Trump supporter was his realization that the NYT's projections of the 2016 election (Hillary 97% winning) were way off-base.

I can definitely see how being bombarded with scadalous, but obviously wrong stories about your industry in the mainstream press day-in-day out would eventually make you lose trust in the media. And since most journalists are left-wing and tend to present their story in a left-wing framework of evil corporations versus ordinary people, that probably also means a loss in trust in the left as well.

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